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Righto. Well, it seems that most of you are interested in the writing workshop. So here's how it'll work. Just sign up below with the topic you'd like to write about. If you don't know what you want to write about and would like ideas, just indicate that and we'll chime in to let you know what we see as your greatest strengths.

If no one takes issue with it, I think I'd like to write about Characterization. I can put up my essay in a day or two as an example and then you all can post yours. Just space them out a bit if you would. XD

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Hee, I think I will write the shipping one, thank you, although I'm not quite sure what needs to be said about sexuality. This game is pretty good at avoiding the stereotypes/everyone is gay! syndrome/too black and white sort of issues that you see a lot of elsewhere. But let me know if there's anything under that category you'd like to see addressed.

And I'm glad John is writing the getting into the game one-- it'll be great to read (plus, she is the only one currently representing her canon, so see? I'm a genius!). I do hope you do mention romance/sexuality in your characterization piece, since I think romance writing is essentially a sub-category of characterization.

*coughs* If no one else claims the plottage, and you have the time, you really ought to write that. I would enjoy reading it. :)

Oh, and another suggested topic I just thought of? How to Write Really Awesome Non-Sue Female Characters? With all of the men and man shaped beings running around, it's nice to see some women, and in my experience, being female doesn't appear to grant the ability to actually write plausible women. I'd love to read it. :)

But it's impossible to create Sues in this game, since you aren't allowed original characters.

Unfortunately, it isn't. It really really isn't.

Hee, I agree with Muri, I've read many cases of people taking a nice well rounded non OC and sueifying her, and there are many authors who have created sues to begin with.

But I think it must really be said that I wasn't referring to anyone in this game, just in RPing and fandom in general. I just think that, in general, people are often afraid of playing female characters because we're afraid of writing sues. I know I'm always somewhat wary of female chars for this reason. :) But there are quite a few strong females in this game, so I think it would be an interesting subject if someone wanted to write about it.

I just think that, in general, people are often afraid of playing female characters because we're afraid of writing sues.

As if writing a male character guarantees that you won't.

Again, majorly majorly agreed. Although I think one of the worst issues facing male characters isn't so much the sueness as the feminization, but I actually don't see that here so much. But I think, especially since we don't do OCs here, it becomes easier to play well rounded, interesting male characters than their female counterparts simply because, unfortunately, authors tend to write far more strong* male characters than they do females, even if they do write some interesting females. Only exception I can think of on this off the top of my head is Pterry, who seems to write very interesting characters fo both genders.

Plus, Mary Sue phobia does tend to fall unequally upon females, probably because there's far more OFC or OCC female char badfic out there, so often I think people incorrectly associate OFCs with Sues.

*hesitate to use this word, because it's so cliche. Plus, characters can be weak or wimpy and still be interesting and valuable characters. But it's quite a bit shorter than 'well-rounded, well devloped' etc.

Well, we do have a rather high majority of gay/bisexual characters, but that may be because most of our characters are man shaped and/or technically genderless. But you wizard types, I dunno, must be something in the water... ;)

*g* We'll see about the plottage. But if anyone else wants it first, they're welcome to it. And I will mention romance in the characterization, but I'm looking forward to your shipping one to see the issue in detail.

And good female characters is another good topic.

It's the inbreeding. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

(And I know our ratios still don't reflect the real world, but I've seen RPGs where if there's an attractive male character, you can just assume he likes men. I'd say we're more reasonable than most. XD)

*giggle* Won't be much more of that if everyone's gay. :D

(Yeah, much more reasonable. We have one attractive straight male holdout who everyone keeps trying to hook up with guys. XD But I'm teasing. When we had Mr. Wednesday, Destruction, and Newt things were slightly more balanced.)

Dude. Adam? Shadow? Loki? Doc? Kudos to Docling, btw, for having such a pretty char and choosing to go hetero XD.

Besides, I don't really count angels and demons because 1. sexless, 2. Milton says they're all 'gay'. I can prove it. Raphael says at one point that angels shag other angels, but there are also several points where it's indicated that there are no female-shaped angels. If the Puritans say angels bugger one another, then it has to be true.

Point. I should have looked at the character list before saying anything. Though Adam is mostly asexual. *cough*

Asexual still counts as notgay. ;)

(Also, just cursing myself for missing the opportunity to make a cheap 'Sirius is in the closet' joke. Geez, must have been too early or something. XD)

Until this wank thing gets finished... *ahem*

(Aw. XD)

(Loki would like to state that he feels insulted by you not considering him attractive.)

(Hey now! XD I just forgot since he's not actively looking for a partner.)

(Just you wait until he gets into the hospital wing.)

(Oh dear... I thought that was a joke!)

(Honey? No it somehow became serious.)

(*cries*)

(Well, if you're absolutely against it, we should probably discuss it with Ana.)

(I can't say that I like it at all, but as long as what you're doing is within the rules, I can't forbid it. I would ask that you think about it, though. I mean, we've already done the pregnancy thing. And how likely would it be to have a population explosion in the middle of a war, that, if they lose, will mean that everyone dies? Who'd want that for a child? Besides, would Ana cheat on Newt? I don't get that feeling canonically. Or that she'd be content with single parenthood - she doesn't know that Loki will survive. Just, please, think through all the long-term consequences for the characters and the game. I mean, who's going to play these kids? Does that unfairly bypass our two characters rule once they're old enough to talk and act on their own? What do they contribute to the game? to the plot? It's just... a lot, you know?)

(Well, Ana's said that yes, she would cheat on Newt and the idea so far is that Newt will raise Honey with her. It's not a planned pregnancy, though, so Loki's survival and single parenthood won't figure into the decision to sleep with him. Neither Ana nor I have two characters at the moment, so I can't see how we'd be bypassing the three characters rule here. As I said we should discuss it with Ana, though. This whole thing started from her saying Ana would like to have a child. - Loki, he'd like to sleep with her and he likes children, but it's Ana's baby, Ana's idea and Ana's decision to have or not to have Honey.)

(But that's assuming things of a future player that we don't even have. What if someone shows up wanting to play Newt and gets forced into this situation of having to raise someone else's kid? That's not fair. At least leave him out of it so his future player can make his/her own decision about whether or not to get involved.

And Anathema is so practical, canonically, that I cannot imagine her neglecting birth control even if she does intend to cheat.

Whatever. I realize this is Ana's issue, and I need to take it up with her, so I'll stop complaining to you about it now. Sorry.)

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