Well, I am up for everything- I have one additional suggestion. The Norse religion was all about predestination and Loki's reasoning for killing Baldur could be blamed on an reason, but the underlying truth would be that he had no choice in the matter... it is only now when the following of the Asgardians has waned that they have true free will, so now they have the luxury (or curse) to question their actions. It is a little like Odin has with Thor- Odin probably couldn't have cared less about insulting Thor, but now feels guilt for not being a better father- Plus, these characters have been around a long time, and sociel ideas have changed- what was an acceptable thing to do to ones children (or another's) was less cuddly than it is now- while the gods still maintain their basic core, their views might have changed some. They may have adapted.
What does this have to do with anything? I'm not entirely sure, but I think it is stuff we can take into account while we figure out the plans-
Here is my suggestion. Baldur was killed by Loki for a couple of reasons 1) He's the god of chaos and killing Baldur would accomplish that, plus it was pre-destined that he should kill Baldur, so in a way he was just following orders. As for subconscious/coscious reasons, maybe part of his reasoning was to punish Odin for binding his children, maybe part of it was to give Hel's lover to her... maybe there were even more reasons. We always have lots of subconscious reasons for doing things.
Hel, at the time, was probably pleased to have Baldur in her realm, thinking she could win his love. That is why she demanded that all things weep for him. A tough order, but Loki once again worked to keep Baldur in her realm. (assuming that he did this of his own will)
Now, though, as time has gone on, Baldur has become a shell of his former self (perhaps) or perhaps it is just the stigma of shame that has caused him to deteriorate, and Hel sees that keeping him in Hel was not a good thing and blames Loki-
Now I just read all this, and it is not only complex but would dictate the actions of Hel- maybe it won't work- We'll figure something out, though!
If there is a complete consensus that I should change the posts, I will.
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Date: 2006-04-30 02:41 am (UTC)Well, I am up for everything- I have one additional suggestion. The Norse religion was all about predestination and Loki's reasoning for killing Baldur could be blamed on an reason, but the underlying truth would be that he had no choice in the matter... it is only now when the following of the Asgardians has waned that they have true free will, so now they have the luxury (or curse) to question their actions. It is a little like Odin has with Thor- Odin probably couldn't have cared less about insulting Thor, but now feels guilt for not being a better father- Plus, these characters have been around a long time, and sociel ideas have changed- what was an acceptable thing to do to ones children (or another's) was less cuddly than it is now- while the gods still maintain their basic core, their views might have changed some. They may have adapted.
What does this have to do with anything? I'm not entirely sure, but I think it is stuff we can take into account while we figure out the plans-
Here is my suggestion. Baldur was killed by Loki for a couple of reasons 1) He's the god of chaos and killing Baldur would accomplish that, plus it was pre-destined that he should kill Baldur, so in a way he was just following orders. As for subconscious/coscious reasons, maybe part of his reasoning was to punish Odin for binding his children, maybe part of it was to give Hel's lover to her... maybe there were even more reasons. We always have lots of subconscious reasons for doing things.
Hel, at the time, was probably pleased to have Baldur in her realm, thinking she could win his love. That is why she demanded that all things weep for him. A tough order, but Loki once again worked to keep Baldur in her realm. (assuming that he did this of his own will)
Now, though, as time has gone on, Baldur has become a shell of his former self (perhaps) or perhaps it is just the stigma of shame that has caused him to deteriorate, and Hel sees that keeping him in Hel was not a good thing and blames Loki-
Now I just read all this, and it is not only complex but would dictate the actions of Hel- maybe it won't work- We'll figure something out, though!
If there is a complete consensus that I should change the posts, I will.